Ah yes, the famously communist Russian Federation. The RF is nakedly an imperial fascist regime that doesn’t even have communist window dressing, it boggles the mind that self-proclaimed communists and anti-imperialists support them.

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  • I know that you thought a lot about it, but you came to the wrong conclusions. But hey, since you seem still pretty grumpy about all of this and nearly a year has come and gone, maybe try again? This time users at least already have a working blocking feature, i think that wasn’t a thing yet last time. If a free alternative comes out of it i’m all for it.

    The one thing that I didn’t get to execute properly was that…

    … you didn’t ask anyone if they would be ok with it, neither on the fediverse nor on reddit, not thinking about possible legal trouble for all federated instances which automatically copied the “property” (ugh i hate IP laws, but it is what it is) of reddit from your instance, opening them up to possible lawsuits.

    … your actions would impact the existing structures, which flooded the “all” channel - which made you demand that everyone else change their usage patterns to filter out the spam you created.

    … the existing lemmy codebase was probably not performant enough for what you were planning anyway - damn, there are instances that can barely handle federating with lemmy.world; had all of this worked as you planned, i’m pretty sure that the fediverse, or at least most of lemmy would have come to a screeching halt.

    This is booooooring.

    To be honest, i am perfectly fine if the people who just want to flood their brain with content stay somewhere else. These people have a plethora of choices to get their dopamine flowing, and with pixelfed there is now one that grows pretty fast in the fediverse too.

    It’s not an exclusive option.

    But it creates a chilling effect, if the main community for a specific topic is under control of people who might not be as open or even just interested as needed. All discourse is ideological - a discussion about fascism will look very different depending on who has the last say regarding whats acceptable to say.

    Mastodon’s issues, in my opinion, stem from something else - the name. Mastodon is a really crappy name. I tend to keep an open mind about most things, but i bounced off that name hard. I would choose a service named Bluesky over one named Mastodon 9 times out of ten even if it’s not really decentralized. Maybe now with the transfer to a new non-profit someone thinks of a snappier name that’s marketable.


  • The issue with the mirroring, at least how it was done, is that it was too much content for not enough users, creating the feeling of a deserted mall. If my comment disappears in a flood of posts, it’s no better than when my comment disappears in a flood of comments (like it does on reddit). (Lets forget about the part when one guy started copying entire threads including their users, which was not well thought out)

    A way of combining communities into “multilemmys” would be great. I can understand why there’s pushback for separating topics from users. A Lemmy instance is not just a basket for specific topics, it’s a expression of ideology, and as such ideological arguments about the moderation in your proposed structure are guaranteed. It also would reduce comments with minority viewpoints to a minimum.

    A slow and steady promotion of lemmy is the best that can happen - from what i learned in the last year a slow and steady influx of people is preferred by the majority, and not a flood of people that can’t be handled by our culture.

    I like efficiency too, but some things do get lost when speeding things up too much.




  • I agree with you that the onboarding process is complicated for a user that doesn’t want to invest time into learning how the fediverse works.

    I think that is a positive thing.

    The good thing about the Fediverse is that it isn’t profit driven, it isn’t necessary to grow without end, and because of this it also isn’t necessary to appeal to the mass of users who don’t want to learn how things work here. It’s a filter, weeding out the people who aren’t open to new structures - that often comes paired with the inability to have open minded discussions.

    I do agree with you regarding the missing transfer options, but since karma isn’t a thing here, a simple import/export function for subscribed communities and blocked items should suffice, and shouldn’t be too hard to implement.






  • You are missing the point. Lemmy does not NEED to grow, since there are no profit incentives.

    Its hostile towards Reddit admins. I don’t care much, but they will.

    Its hostile towards Lemmy admins, who already told you that your spamming techniques generate as much load as the largest instances. also, since your “content” gets federated to other instances, your legal liability might become theirs too.

    Its hostile towards Lemmy users, who see lots of botspam which they cannot filter currently since the users you generate have to be blocked one by one.

    Its hostile towards Reddit users, who get their created content and USERNAMES copied without given consent.

    I also use “All”! I like seeing what others in the fediverse are up to, as long as it’s authentic discourse. I don’t care if it gets smaller currently. The quality is fine, and since most growth in fediverse projects come in spurs, i am not even slightly worried. I have also been attracted for more than a month, and since the discourse is authentic, i engage more than i ever did on reddit.

    In my opinion, every bad move reddit makes will lead to another influx of users to the fediverse.

    Yes, they were effective. Lemmy got a fresh infusion of users, and its not even how many, but WHO we got! We got especially the people who think for themselves and who are not apathetic towards bad moves; people who cared about their communities. This also explains why you get so much pushback. It does not sit well with them (and me) because it is in line with what Meta, Reddit or Google would do.

    I don’t think a “war” against big tech is Lemmys primary use case. Lemmy is there to bring people together and is doing a fine job of that, for a project that was not really ready at the time of the protest. I haven’t seen people call for a war in the last months - raising awareness, yes; but ultimately the message should be a positive one - this is what makes Lemmy stand out from the “competition”.


  • my point stands, its bad publicity and will not help growing lemmy organically.

    Its nice that meta, the nice little family run company did that. /s

    noone asked meta to do that. it’s a hostile move.

    noone asked YOU to do that. it’s a hostile move too.

    you are using strategies of a megacorp with a reputation of crapping all over everything the fediverse stands for. i would recommend you start less doing and more thinking, and not on a technical level, but on the morality of your decisions. as you can see in the overwhelming negative responses (except for the ppl using you as their personal reddit-rss-feed) and the defederations, your actions already lead to the isolation of your instance, which will hurt your users too.

    ETA: just wanted you to know that do think that your service is neither GDPR-compliant nor CCPA-compliant. i don’t know if you checked with your lawyer before, but i’m pretty sure you don’t have a process for deletion requests, since you don’t have a privacy policy posted, which is where that info should be if you had any to give. (The data you copied over is another can of problems, namely reddits lawyers, who probably reserve all rights to make your life pretty sucky)


  • lets be honest: if someone were to post on reddit, and that webscraper copies the post and THEIR USERNAME onto an alternative service without prior consent, what is the reaction you should expect?

    a) oh wow thats helpful thank you very much i will now drop reddit forever

    or

    b) your post and account stealing crapshoot of a server can go die in a ditch for all i care

    i can assure you, most people will choose b), and even people who might have chosen a) will first hear about it from the pissed off group.

    I believe your activism comes from the right place, but i think it’s actively harmful, even if you ignore that it annoys people in the fediverse itself.