Since I don’t associate LGBTQ+ with child-grooming, that notion never occurred to me. But now that you mention it, and knowing the current sad state of the current political climate, that point sounds entirely plausible. Thank you for pointing that out.

gosh it isn’t “narcissist” to not “check the latest couple dozen posts

“I just discovered this thing, and since it’s new to me I immediately conclude that no one else has seen it either because the horizon of my reality extends no farther than the diameter of my own head”…is absolutely narcissist.

The opposite of narcissism is considering that other people exist, and that other people might have found it and posted it first, and to assume they have until you do some minimum amount of diligence to find out. That minimum amount of diligence is just checking for recent posts on the same topic - it’s not rocket science - it’s just having the basic minimum amount of social-awareness to consider there are other people in that community who may have already posted it.

Thanks for clarifying your earlier comment.

Hard to know the true motives of the blahaj admin - could be they felt this was the only way to protect their community from a perceived evil, could be they were just offended that the LemmyNSFW admin had the audacity to stand their ground on principle, could be they personally objected to nsfw content and this was as plausible a reason as any to act on the desire to defederate. I see they are still federated with a few other much smaller porn/nsfw instances.

There’s a lot of content I’m just not into - and I happily block those communities. But I would never want to inflict my own likes & dislikes on others. So I think a move like this is unenlightened.

But, I also think there needs to be an instance that fits everyone, and if lemmy.blahaz.zone wants to be the morality-police instance for their users, and their users like that, then more power to them.

they do not discriminate against people who are “too young”.

This is a misrepresentation of what was said. Was that intentional? It sounds like you are trying to inject your own opinion into what you are presenting as factual and unbiased.

The actual quote I think you are referring to is:

That means no adult on our instance is too thin, fat, bald, masculine, old, young, cis, gay, etc., to be sexy, and that includes not discriminating against legal adults that look younger than people think they should. Everyone has a right to lust and to be lusted after.

I’ve highlighted some key words I think you missed.

I think what you have observed is short-lived. I am starting to notice a lot of poor reddit etiquette showing up more and more here.

One of my huge pet peeves is multiple people posting the exact same link to the exact same article into the exact same community over the span of several hours. I’m not sure if they are doing it for the attention, if they are narcissists and assume that because they just discovered it that no one else might have posted it first, or if they are just too damned self-centered to quickly check the latest couple dozen posts to make sure they aren’t posting a dupe.

It would be nice if, rather than the only option being defederation - if lemmy would allow instance owners to place requirements that users be verified before being allowed to participate in federated communities. Then, rather than threaten (or go through with) defederation from instances who did or do still allow open registration, they could just deny that set of unverified open registered users.

Okay, well that’s a fair point, but I’ll point out that communities disappearing is a lot more common than you think. For example, the single largest “Technology” community in the entire fediverse was the one hosted on beehive - a LOT of lemmy.world users were subscribed to that when it suddenly just ceased working correctly for them. That’s just one example of many.

When it does just stop working like that, there’s two perspectives an end user can have: a) they are new/novice users who just signed up for lemmy.world as you describe and shit just started breaking for apparently no reason which makes them think this junk is unreliable and broken, or b) they have an in-depth knowledge/understanding of how federation works and and understanding of why it broke.

Just ushering users into lemmy.world and giving them the expectation that it’s just like reddit is setting them up for dissatisfaction. That is, in fact, exactly how my introduction to the fediverse/lemmy worked. I signed up, started subscribing to popular stuff without really understanding how any of it worked, and then shit just started breaking. Is that really the experience you think former reddit users should have or are expecting?

A lot of community types just simply don’t work without a minimum critical mass of members.

Imagine asking a programming question on a software development community of just 5 people. You end up with 3 people who aren’t active enough to see the question, 1 person sees but doesn’t have an answer and doesn’t respond (classic lurker), and one person sees it and responds that they don’t know the answer. Now imagine a community of 5 thousand people…it’s suddenly much more feasible to even bother asking the question.

Sure, fediverse could exist with just 5 people, but it would be worthless and pointless.

For several weeks straight, the ‘official’ lemmy app, Jerboa, wouldn’t even connect to Lemmy.world due to the difference of a minor version number, and when beehaw.org de-federated, many of the communities I was subscribed to just ceased updating and I could no longer participate in them. This is a major problem for people who don’t have a deep understanding of how federation works and is implemented. Common users shouldn’t need to have deep understanding of technology to be able to use it. This is a massive hurdle that lemmy will have to overcome if it is to be adopted by more than just tech geeks.

It’s not as simple as you make it out to be…I can’t tell if you are just being willfully ignorant or if you like arguing from the point of a wrong/bad position just for the sake of arguing here, but it’s not simple and easy yet for your common non-technical reddit user…and it has to be before it sees more adoption among that group.

Right now, the fediverse is not very user-friendly for non-tech people.

I mean, there’s instances de-federating from each other, weird federation sync anomalies still going on between instances, users have to create and maintain multiple user accounts on multiple instances if those instances have defederated each other, even the ‘official’ jerboa app for lemmy shits itself if you try and connect in to an instance that’s one sub-dot version lower than what it was built for - plus it crashes on 1/3 of my android devices, some of the best lemmy apps have been removed from app stores due to non-compliance with app store terms and have to be installed manually from github. It’s all still very DIY right now instead of plug-and-play…and if lemmy is to appeal to anyone other than tech nerds, it needs to become much more user friendly and much more plug-and-play.

I tried explaining it all to my wife (who is still a Reddit user) and she argues that lemmy on fediverse sounds way too complicated…and she’s not wrong.

If there’s content at beehaw that a user wants to subscribe to and comment on, then it’s more than just beehaw’s problem, it’s also makes it the user’s problem…and that means creating and maintaining logins on multiple servers.

You only need to sign up for one instance.

It would be so nice if this were true.

You need to sign up with every instance that isn’t federated with an instance you’ve already signed up for.

So, for example, if you have a Lemmy.world account, and you want to subscribe and post to a community hosted by beehaw.org, you also need to create and maintain a beehaw.org account.

As the fediverse gets more mature, news of de-federation between big/popular instances becomes more common.