This is interesting, but I don’t yet entirely understand it.
My first thought after trying to read the entire document was that the author seems to suggest that “AT Protocol” is a natural result of the movements they describe, but I find it hard to believe that the “peer-to-peer (p2p) movement” could naturally result in things that “are not meaningfully decentralized, and are not federated”.
I think they meant mostly the decentralised distribution of data.
At the end of “Generic hosting, Centralised product development” it says
Even though product development is centralized, the underlying data and identity remain open and universally accessible as a result of building on atproto. Put another way, ownership is clear for the evolution of a given application, but since the data is open, it can be reused, remixed, or extended by anyone else in the network.
So theoretically everyone can access the data but before it reaches the end users it goes through centralised applications like bsky
Because of what I quoted, I don’t think that “Bluesky” or “ATProto” are decentralized or federated, so it’s extremely unlikely that I’ll interact with them anytime soon. The particular reason that they are not decentralized or federated is not really interesting to me.
my original point was more that atProto maybe was inspired by the “decentralized distribution of data” that p2p has
In my brain i somehow got the idea that anyone could theoretically access the data without going through bsky and trying to write my guess down i somehow got spun up on that paragraph
This is interesting, but I don’t yet entirely understand it.
My first thought after trying to read the entire document was that the author seems to suggest that “AT Protocol” is a natural result of the movements they describe, but I find it hard to believe that the “peer-to-peer (p2p) movement” could naturally result in things that “are not meaningfully decentralized, and are not federated”.
I think they meant mostly the decentralised distribution of data.
At the end of “Generic hosting, Centralised product development” it says
So theoretically everyone can access the data but before it reaches the end users it goes through centralised applications like bsky
I’m not sure that your reply is directly related to my comment. The full sentence I quoted is “Under these definitions, Bluesky and ATProto are not meaningfully decentralized, and are not federated either.” by Christine Lemmer-Webber, but Daniel Holmgren talked more directly about “decentralised distribution of data”.
Because of what I quoted, I don’t think that “Bluesky” or “ATProto” are decentralized or federated, so it’s extremely unlikely that I’ll interact with them anytime soon. The particular reason that they are not decentralized or federated is not really interesting to me.
To get specific: it is a significant issue for me if “everyone can access the data but before it reaches the end users it goes through centralised applications”. A “centralised application” is able to restrict my ability to contact other people, whereas with a federated and/or decentralized/distributed system, it’s more likely that I will be able to contact someone that I want to communicate with. For comparison, consider how people would feel if using the United States Postal Service meant that all physical mail had to pass through the District of Columbia or if sending an email message required interacting with
BBN-TENEXAjust because that was the first machine to be capable of sending networked electronic mail. In the ideal case, the recipient of a message I send would not have to coordinate with me at all before they receive the message: “The first use of network email announced its own existence.”my original point was more that atProto maybe was inspired by the “decentralized distribution of data” that p2p has
In my brain i somehow got the idea that anyone could theoretically access the data without going through bsky and trying to write my guess down i somehow got spun up on that paragraph
sorry if i got you wrong again