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from the mod log:

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https://s.faf-pb.xyz/lXxek

The output from the LLM was provided as proof that someone needed to be banned.

I didn’t want to do this but my hand was forced by their dissembling, minimization and bullshit. Note how the output includes a nice big logo with a slogan and ascii graphics - this was not a one-off experiment, this is an app they were proud to call their own.

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
    333·
    2 months ago

    @rimu@piefed.social is this the cause of your issue yesterday? We talked about this for hours. Just defederate.

    @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com is an admin, he owns the server, he can do what he likes on that server.

    As I said yesterday, and overwhelmingly everyone chimed in agreeing: This is the nature of the fediverse. You do not get to make rules for the entire fediverse.

    You are on piefed.social, just block his server from your feed you dislike it so much.

    Yesterday’s Post

    • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      202·
      2 months ago

      Note that just because I’m an admin, I don’t do what I like. We explicitly reject the BDFL approach. Also you’re missing the objective of rimu here; it’s not to stop our admins from doing a specific thing, it’s to agitate other instances to defederate us widely.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        161·
        2 months ago

        Of course, apologies if my comment came off as you independently are doing something crazy that we should all defederate. You absolutely are not in my book doing something outlandish.

        My point only was that I don’t know why someone on piefed.social feels the need to post in lemmy.world about something that is what appears to me to be an internal instance choice.

        Db0 to you directly, and for everyone reading, you have done more for the fediverse than the vast majority here and are up with the developers in my book. You have built tools for the fediverse that most will never see that keep onslaughts of abuse from hitting our servers. Personally, you have helped me with my own server helping me debug now almost three years ago. It will take much more than rimu’s personal issues with you to burn through the goodwill you’ve built up with me, and I assume the other admins.

        Personally, while I am not a mod or an admin of this channel, I would argue that a personal vendetta is not relevant to the fediverse channel amd I hope these posts are both removed. I agree that they are thinly veiled attempts at trying to manipulate admins.

    • Otter@lemmy.caEnglish
      16·
      2 months ago

      I didn’t catch the previous post and gave it a quick skim now. My thoughts are more to do with how LLM based moderation is viewed by users.

      It’s not a new thing, since sentiment analysis based moderation has been around for a long while. Where it becomes a problem is

      • The sentiment analysis makes mistakes and it gets tedious to deal with platforms that use it for automated moderation. This is a big problem with old social media platforms like Reddit, or comment sections in places like Instagram/Facebook.
      • It can be used as a flimsy excuse to take moderation actions when such actions aren’t necessary, which makes users trust that moderation team less

      I also don’t agree with the privacy angle since all content here is public by nature, but I do see value in discussing these other problems since that’s what this community is for?

      Also, while Rimu can defederate, letting people discuss it first is better. Best case scenario, the groups find some kind of compromise. Otherwise it lets people weigh in on the platform policies and federation status, instead of having admins make that call on their own

      • 𝙈𝙞𝙖@quokk.auEnglish
        172·
        2 months ago

        The thing is, nothing is automated. From what I can see it only flags potential posts for a mod/admin to verify and act on.

        It’s not like this is a bot that scans everyone’s posts and automatically bans them, it’s an entirely manual process to download a comment history and AI ctrl-f for stuff.

        There has been some deceptive information spread around what this tool seems to actually do. Which is especially concerning after the recent (proven) misinformation about Nazis infiltrating our instances.

      • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.techEnglish
        10·
        2 months ago

        This is a good take, and I appreciate it.

        The cold hard fact is that there are a lot of bad actors, even here on Lemmy. Most users are sheltered from it because of good mods and admins. It’s easy to shit on them, but these people sort through the absolute muck. There’s a reason we don’t have racists and gore and CP here, and it’s because they keep all of it at bay away from eyes here. I know this because I firsthand have seen some of the permanently scarring shit, and it was only a small fraction of what mods on world deal with.

        Soi don’t blame moderated arching out tools that help them not see it.

        However each admin and mod have to decide for themselves and their users what is best for them, and that is purely an admin level decision for their server. The fediverse is very cool that everyone can make their own rules, and I like that nuance.